as you pointed out, for the economy. ports, rail, airports. roads. those things are incredibly important for goods movement. you have to invest to keep growing. every business that grows successful, invests. we've got to do it. grover norquist be damned. >> governor, it seems i want to follow up with you. it seems like this is sort of a long-term pain argument, which is, okay. the bridges and the rail and the ports. they're not great but they're passing barely, some of them. passing at this point. but they won't be. how do you make that urgent to the population? as you well know, if the american public doesn't think it's urgent it is not likely a lot of politicians are going to think it's urgent. >> it's interesting. politicians misread the american public as well. in the last election, chris, 70% of the transportation infrastructure referendums calling for more tolls, taxes, or borrowing, passed. even in 2010, 61% passed. in other recent elections 78% passed. when the voters know what they're spending their money on, in charleston a red state, charl